{"id":4551,"date":"2021-02-18T14:55:30","date_gmt":"2021-02-18T14:55:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shindig-magazine.com\/?p=4551"},"modified":"2021-02-18T15:02:27","modified_gmt":"2021-02-18T15:02:27","slug":"chris-forsyth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/shindig-magazine.com\/?p=4551","title":{"rendered":"Chris Forsyth"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>In <em>Shindig!<\/em>\u00a0#106, THOMAS PATTERSON interviewed the indefinable guitarist CHRIS FORSYTH on the eve of the release of his new live album <em>First Flight<\/em>, an improvised delight recorded during a residency at East Village venue Nublu with a band including members of the group Garcia Peoples<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4554\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4554\" style=\"width: 800px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-4554 size-full\" title=\"Photo by Constance Mensh\" src=\"https:\/\/www.shindig-magazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/bwrjhqqg5cnbett6uqxk_sqb9pq.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"579\" srcset=\"https:\/\/shindig-magazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/bwrjhqqg5cnbett6uqxk_sqb9pq.jpg 800w, https:\/\/shindig-magazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/bwrjhqqg5cnbett6uqxk_sqb9pq-300x217.jpg 300w, https:\/\/shindig-magazine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/bwrjhqqg5cnbett6uqxk_sqb9pq-768x556.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4554\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo by Constance Mensh<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>On April 23rd , Algorithm Free will be releasing a new Chris Forsyth LP\/DL <em>Rare Dreams: Solar Live 2.27.18 <\/em>recorded\u00a0live at London\u2019s Cafe OTO three years ago this month with the final iteration of The Solar Motel Band. The album includes two\u00a0long Solar Motel jams, \u2018Dreaming In The Non-Dream\u2019 and \u2018The First 10 Minutes of Cocksucker Blues\u2019 plus two Neil Young covers,\u00a0\u2018Don\u2019t Be Denied\u2019 and \u2018Barstool Blues\u2019. The album is available for<a href=\"http:\/\/chrisforsyth1.bandcamp.com\"> pre-order<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>As an online treat, here\u2019s the unedited transcript of our original interview with Chris from last year.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>\u00a0Shindig!<\/strong><\/em>: We\u2019ve been long time fans of your work at <em>Shindig!<\/em>, but whilst we\u2019ve spent a great deal of time listening to your records, we know very little about you personally, other than you\u2019re based out of Philadelphia. Can you please tell us a little bit of your history? How would you describe your music and work?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Chris Forsyth<\/strong>: I was born in 1973 and grew up in New Jersey in the \u201980s on classic-rock radio, then got into underground\/punk\/Our Band Could Be Your Life bands in my teens and college years, taught myself how to play guitar a bit, and moved to Brooklyn in \u201996. I didn\u2019t really know what I was doing but I figured New York would be a good place to figure it out. I started to lose interest in contemporary rock music in the late \u201990s but fell in at Tonic, a venue in the Lower East Side that hosted a great constellation of improvised music, <em>avant<\/em>-rock, free-jazz, and experimental\/outsider music of all stripes. \u00a0It remains the coolest music scene I\u2019ve ever witnessed or been a part of first hand. At the same time, I studied with Richard Lloyd of Television for 18 months and, essentially, he taught me how music works and how to play it on the guitar. I got really involved in experimental music and had a group called Peeesseye in the 2000s that played drones, feedback, and very noisy high strung improvisations. We toured the US a bit, but mostly in the EU. That group wound down in the late 2000s and in 2009 I relocated to Philadelphia, which is cheaper and funkier and more fucked up than whatever NYC had evolved into. I like it. I became tight with the late great guitarist Jack Rose, who really inspired me to play more lyrically and expose the latent\/dormant Richard Thompson\/Jerry Garcia tendencies in my playing. I also think it took me the decade of playing weird <em>avant<\/em>&#8211;<em>garde<\/em> music to allow the lessons I\u2019d learned from Lloyd to really marinate to the point that I could deploy them convincingly. I think of myself as a rock guitarist but in an era when rock has lost its prominence as a popular music and is in a similar cultural position as jazz was in the \u201950s \u2013 it used to be popular, but now it\u2019s art music. The audience is smaller than it once was, but the music is getting more interesting. I feel like I\u2019m trying to do something for rock that comparable to what John Fahey did conceptually \u2013 taking the raw elements of a traditionally vocal music (in my case rock, in Fahey\u2019s blues), largely getting rid of the vocals, adding some unusual influences, and distilling it to an elemental largely instrumental form.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Chris Forsyth &amp; The Solar Motel Band: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ZHbkzeVym_0?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>SD!<\/em>: <\/strong>How did your residency at Nublu come about? Did you have any specific aims when you started? How often did you perform, and how did you choose your collaborators?<\/p>\n<p><strong>CF<\/strong>: Nublu is a venue in NYC&#8217;s East Village and, unlike most venues in New York over the last 10 years or so, it has a very music-centred vibe and the people that run it are very involved on the day-to-day and very cool people \u2013 true music lovers. I was offered a gig there in 2018 and had never heard of the place but when I looked up their calendar it seemed to be largely free-jazz and jam bands, and I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s the sweet spot right there!\u201d They\u2019re very much about improvisation and free-styling, whether it\u2019s jazz or rock or hip-hop. The first time I played with Garcia Peoples was at Nublu in March of last year when they asked me to sit in on a set at their record release show when Ryley Walker, who was scheduled to play, had to cancel last minute. The Garcias and I were already friends for years and familiar with each others music, but we\u2019d not played together and there was no time for rehearsal, so we did a 30-minute version of my song \u2018Techno Top\u2019, and covers of \u2018Calvary Cross\u2019 and \u2018The Other One\u2019. It was a blast and people really responded \u2013 see NYCTaper recording\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nyctaper.com\/2019\/04\/garcia-peoples-march-29-2019-nublu-nyc-with-chris-forsyth\/\">here<\/a>.\u00a0I think it was at that show that the promoter invited me to do a weekly residency for September. You see, I love playing gigs but I don\u2019t really love touring and I\u2019m not looking to go on the road for six-eight months a year like a some of my peers. So, a residency is kind of perfect. I played every Friday in September, two sets, with different guests each week centered around drummer Ryan Jewell and bassist Peter Kerlin. The idea was to mix it up week to week, trying not to repeat songs or set lists. The first week the Garcias played with me, the second week, it was a thrill to play a set with The Dream Syndicate\u2019s Steve Wynn and his wife the drummer Linda Pitmon (who plays in tons of Peter Buck bands) the third week produced <em>First Flight<\/em>, and the fourth week was with Ryley Walker and saxophonist\/trumpeter Daniel Carter and Tom from Garcia Peoples. In between all this I played a show at Johnny Brenda\u2019s in Philly with Garcia Peoples, Ryan Jewell, and Peter Kerlin baking me.\u00a0That show came out as the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/chrisforsyth1.bandcamp.com\/album\/peoples-motel-band\">Peoples Motel Band<\/a> LP in March,\u00a0the set with Daniel Carter produced the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/chrisforsyth1.bandcamp.com\/track\/techno-top-solar-live-vol-4-92719\">Techno Top <\/a>DL release in Ma<a href=\"https:\/\/chrisforsyth1.bandcamp.com\/track\/techno-top-solar-live-vol-4-92719\">y,<\/a>\u00a0and now the <em>First Flight<\/em> LP.\u00a0If we\u2019d gotten a good multi-track recoding of the set with Steve and Linda, I suspect that\u2019d be a candidate for release too (we only have an audience recording from\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nyctaper.com\/2019\/09\/chris-forsyth-september-13-2019-nublu\/\">NYC Taper<\/a>). So, it was very productive.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>SD!<\/em>: <\/strong>What was it like playing with the musicians on <em>First Flight<\/em>, and why did you choose this set for physical release? And why is it called <em>First Flight<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p><strong>CF<\/strong>: I was interested in trying some new collaborations during the residency and the promoter suggested I contact guitarist Dave Harrington to play. Dave is someone who I was tangentially aware of, but did not know personally. I knew he kind of overlapped the worlds of jazz, jam band, and electronica and plays with an insane effects pedal set up. I suggested having Ryan Jewell play drums, with whom I\u2019ve played with for years, and Dave suggested Spencer Zahn on bass, with whom he\u2019s played a lot.\u00a0So, there were two factions in the group, but each was unfamiliar with the other. We met at the club about a half an hour before the set and we decided to totally wing it \u2013 no discussion or framework beforehand.\u00a0Hence the title <em>First Flight<\/em>\u00a0\u2013 it was our first time playing together. And the set turned out to be a real joy \u2013 completely spontaneous, but focused, cooperative, lots of listening, everyone working together, no one hogging the ball or trying to dominate, but full of expression. I think the music speaks for itself. For me, it was just about the most enjoyable set of music I played all year.\u00a0And the rhythm section totally cooks.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>SD!<\/em>:<\/strong> How did you hook up with Garcia Peoples, and what did they bring to your music, and vice versa?<\/p>\n<p><strong>CF<\/strong>: I\u2019ve known those guys for years. They grew up in New Jersey, near the City, and they\u2019ve been coming to shows since they were in high school, I guess, and I met them at my shows or other peoples shows. They are like 15-20 years younger than I, and seem to be out practically every time I\u2019d see music in NYC. They\u2019re just great, enthusiastic, hungry musicians with positive attitudes, and they have this family band dynamic which is great \u2013 Danny (guitar\/vocals) and Cesar Arakaki (drums) are brothers and there are rotating members who sometimes are there and sometimes aren\u2019t. They\u2019ve been playing\u00a0together since\u00a0high school and I think Garcia Peoples is the only band those guys have ever been in. Probably the number one factor they bring to the music is fearlessness.\u00a0They are not afraid to try something new, they are always very present. Plus, Danny especially has the sickest gear.\u00a0Every time I see him he\u2019s like \u201cLook, I what I got,\u201d and it\u2019s invariably some vintage beast of a guitar or amp that no sane person would risk taking to a gig.\u00a0His apartment is basically a giant pile of guitar cases!<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Chris Forsyth with Garcia Peoples - Dreaming in The Non-Dream, from &quot;Peoples Motel Band&quot; LP\/DL\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/hMLeztsJrHc?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>SD!<\/em>: <\/strong>What happened to The Solar Motel Band? (and indeed, what or where is a Solar Motel?)<\/p>\n<p><strong>CF<\/strong>: The Solar Motel was a real place on Route 1 in Central Jersey, near where I grew up. It had a great sign but by the \u201980s it was semi-abandoned and a very seedy kind of place.\u00a0It just had a vibe that a couple friends of mine and I liked.\u00a0We\u2019d go there and hang out in the parking lot. It was one of those magnetic places that evoked something ineffable for me.\u00a0And like most weird things in New Jersey, it was just sitting there in plain sight on the side of a highway, largely ignored. So I always liked the name. Ultimately, The Solar Motel Band basically evolved into nothingness, I guess, but it all happened by accident in the first place. The first full &#8220;rock band&#8221; record that I recorded was <em>Solar Motel<\/em>, which I made in 2011, but it wasn\u2019t released until 2013.\u00a0It\u2019s the first time that people started calling me up and offering unsolicited gigs. But I didn\u2019t have a band! So, I put one together to play the music from that album and the band name seemed logical. That line-up lasted for a couple years, then the members started coming and going with bassist Peter Kerlin being the only constant. Eventually, I found that I was just putting together bands for each gig or small tour, based on whoever was available at the time, and I started to like the variation.\u00a0It kept things in flux in a good way, kept the music from getting stuck.\u00a0As in any relationship, if you play with the same people over and over, it can get predictable and even the improvisations start to develop a consistent arc.\u00a0It\u2019s always basically been me and whoever I\u2019m playing with, so I dropped the pretense of a band identity. It just made sense at a certain point.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>SD!<\/em>: <\/strong>How does a venue affect the way you play, if at all, and where are your favourite places to perform?<\/p>\n<p><strong>CF<\/strong>:\u00a0Sure.\u00a0Everything affects the way you play \u2013 the venue, the weather, what you had for dinner, the audience, how well you slept the night before. In terms of venues, I like places that have a personality that is about the music, where the organisers or promoters are really trying to make something happen other than only turning a profit. Places with an independent soul. In NYC, I like Union Pool and Nublu, Cafe Oto in London is great, Cave 12 in Geneva, The Hideout in Chicago.\u00a0In Philly, I like Johnny Brenda\u2019s and I have my own little spot called Jerrys On Front, which is an old storefront space on a\u00a0dodgy strip under the elevated train that holds maybe 75 people.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>SD!<\/em>: <\/strong>You have a wide back catalogue now. Where would recommend a newcomer to your music start, and why?<\/p>\n<p><strong>CF<\/strong>:\u00a0I always direct people to the most recent release, because it\u2019s the most exciting to me. So, nowadays I\u2019d say check out <em>First Flight<\/em> or <em>Peoples Motel Band<\/em>. I think they\u2019re the two best things I\u2019ve done. They sound good, they\u2019re dynamic and unpredictable, but there\u2019s no waste, either. I like the idea that if you\u2019re going to do a 10- \u00a0or 20-minute song, you\u2019d better be able to justify the duration. My favourite music is very lean and economical. Every moment has to count.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Chris Forsyth with Garcia Peoples - Tomorrow Might As Well Be Today, from &quot;Peoples Motel Band&quot; LP\/DL\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/x8buSpGP_rs?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>SD!<\/em>: <\/strong>How have you been keeping sane during the pandemic so far? What have you been listening to music wise? And do you have any thoughts about what\u2019s next for music, especially the kind of intimate, controlled improvisations at which you excel?<\/p>\n<p><strong>CF<\/strong>: For me, it\u2019s been a rather productive time, actually. None of this was pre-planned, of course, but I was fortunate to have gotten high quality multi-track recordings of a number of gigs last year that turned out to be worthy of release.\u00a0So, when Bandcamp stepped up to support musicians with their \u201cno fee\u201d days, it provided an outlet for me to release them, which I\u2019ve done on my own label Algorithm Free. I\u2019d pitched the <em>Peoples Motel Band<\/em> LP to No Quarter, the label I\u2019ve been working with since 2014, last fall, and although they liked the music, they passed because they didn\u2019t think live albums were particularly marketable. Funny how the pandemic suddenly turned that on its head and gave the notion of a good live record new currency. \u00a0But then again, I exist very much on the fringes of the music industry, partly by design and partly because what I do doesn\u2019t really fit in very well with the industry itself. The conventional wisdom of the last 10-12 years or so has been that because the tech companies have changed everything, musicians should give away their music to the steaming services and then survive on the road. That has certainly been proven to be a dog shit idea now, hasn\u2019t it? In the US at least, the gigs have been largely controlled by a cabal of booking agents and other generally slimy parasitic operators, so my policy has been to play gigs only when invited and to set up my own shows in Philly and NYC. I\u2019d rather have a high quality experience every time I play than go out on the road and roll the dice. Touring is basically like waiting tables, even for acts you might think of as established \u2013 sure, Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays are probably gonna be pretty good wherever you are, but there\u2019s always Sunday, and Monday, and Tuesday somewhere when no one may show up. So, in service of the music, I\u2019ve skipped all that. I think it\u2019s much better for the music, my health, and my life in general. I\u2019m fortunate to have a supportive label in No Quarter and a manager who gets what I\u2019m doing and is not trying to get me to fit into the existing industry boxes, and most importantly, great musicians who are willing to play with me. Then again, since those boxes have been largely wiped out by the pandemic, we\u2019ll see what things look like whenever this passes.\u00a0What I do know is that I\u2019m focused on making the music interesting to me and by extension, the fans who are tuning in, which, to me, is the true success \u2013 getting the music right and\u00a0hopefully having some people tuned in. Now that <em>First Flight<\/em> is coming out, I\u2019m starting to think about studio projects again.\u00a0I may do some long distance recording with people like drummer Ryan Jewell and bassist Doug McCombs in Chicago, and see where it goes. My policy, on stage and in life, is to embrace the disruptions and follow them, so I think some more interesting music might come out of this.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Chris Forsyth \u221e All Time Present (OFFICIAL TEASER)\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/jyLKHEyPZbk?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>First Flight<\/em><\/strong><strong> and <em>Rare Dreams<\/em> are available <a href=\"https:\/\/chrisforsyth1.bandcamp.com\">here<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<span class=\"synved-social-container synved-social-container-share\"><a class=\"synved-social-button synved-social-button-share synved-social-size-24 synved-social-resolution-single synved-social-provider-facebook nolightbox\" data-provider=\"facebook\" 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